Earlier today we flagged that Mark Klein, who uncovered a secret surveillance room run by the NSA while employed as a San Francisco-based technician for AT&T, is in Washington to lobby against granting retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies. In an interview this afternoon, Klein explained why he traveled all the way from San Francisco to lobby Senators about the issue: if the immunity provision passes, Americans may never know how extensive the surveillance program was -- or how deeply their privacy may have been invaded.
"The president has not presented this truthfully," said Klein, a 62-year old retiree. "He said it was about a few people making calls to the Mideast. But I know this physical equipment. It copies everything. There's no selection of anything, at all -- the splitter copies entire data streams from the internet, phone conversations, e-mail, web-browsing. Everything."
What Klein unearthed -- you can read it here -- points to a nearly unbounded surveillance program. Its very location in San Francisco suggests that the program was "massively domestic" in its focus, he said. "If they really meant what they say about only wanting international stuff, you wouldn't want it in San Francisco or Atlanta. You'd want to be closer to the border where the lines come in from the ocean so you pick up international calls. You only do it in San Francisco if you want domestic stuff. The location of this stuff contradicts their story."
That's what's at stake in the telecom immunity provision, Klein believes. If the surveillance-related lawsuits are invalidated by a provision in the intelligence-committee-passed FISA bill, then the extent of the program -- at least between 2001 and 2006 -- will remain the exclusive purview of the Bush administration, the communications firms and the handful of Senators selected to review legal justifications for the program. "These are not babes in woods. They knew what they were doing," Klein said. "The violation of the Constitution is where they split off -- where the splitter splits off full copies of a datastream, and connects to other companies' internet stuff, like Sprint or GlobalCrossing. They don’t want people to understand that. They want to portray it like the president does, that it's a handful of international phone calls. That's the soundbite, and that’s not true. It affects millions of people domestically."
Klein has been public with his insider account for nearly two years, with precious little publicity to show for it, thanks to the relative paucity of national media in San Francisco. Coming to Washington might have changed that: his day was packed with press calls and face time with at least a half-dozen Congressional staffers, mostly from Democratic Senators Joe Biden, Sheldon Whitehouse and Barbara Boxer. Press attention and one-on-ones in the corridors of power might be nice, he said, but it's not enough. "I'm not impressed by people with speeches pretending to be on your side," he said. "I want to see votes. In our favor."
The Senate Judiciary Committee will vote on the surveillance bill tomorrow.
God this is just sickening. And the telecoms want immunity for playing whores to this Bush administration, for lucrative government contracts, in order to impose such an illegal domestic spying program within the U.S.
I wave at Bush every night towards the satellite watching my house. If I am in a spunky mood, I moon him! Seriously, Domestic Survellience is a true problem and does conveniently get smoothed over by this administration. I am curious to see how this is to addressed in the election rhetoric.
ReplyDeleteHello Jude:
ReplyDeleteWhat do you expect from a fascist state? Bush said that he thought it was easier to rule the country as a dictator, than as a president. So our incompetent president has transformed the office into a tin-pot, banana republic, dictatorship--complete with his own Gestapo domestic spying program.
On a more serious note, TPM has got to be one of the best news and political blog sites out there--they were the first to break the entire U.S. attorney scandal, when the rest of the news media was asleep. They've done a great job in reporting on the domestic spying program, and what it means for us.
I would be careful about mooning our banana republic dictator via the spy satellite--your fanny might just get placed on the terrorist watch list!
I always wanted to be on a government list for fanny waving! Better then being on the list as I am for participating in NORML in 1979...
ReplyDeleteHave you seen any of our erudite candidates speak on this subject?
Hello Jude:
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about the Republicans, or Democrats?
For the Republicans, the top candidates are all for domestic spying, waterboarding, and even torture--with the exception of John McCain, who calls waterboarding for the torture technique that it is. And as for the telecom immunity bill, I believe all the Republicans are for giving immunity against prosecutions to the telecoms for their own compliance with the Bush domestic spying program. As for the Democrats, I believe that Barack Obama, John Edwards, and Hillary Clinton are against the immunity deal, although I think all three candidates were forced into taking that position after Chris Dodd threatened to filibuster the telecom immunity bill. Had Dodd not declared his filibuster threat, I think that Hillary Clinton would have gone along with the telecom immunity bill. I'm not sure what Obama or Edwards' positions on the immunity bill were before the Dodd filibuster threat (Edwards may have been opposed to it, Obama may have been undecided.).